The SMHC has had in their archives some audio tpes that were made many years ago. Recently we hired Nancy R. Anderson-Britton, agraduate anthropology student from UT University to transcribe the tapes. Below is an index of titles you might be interested in reading.

001 Introduction

060 Appeal to Hiking Club about Greenbrier

098 Population of Greenbrier

128 Population, Houses, and Churches

172 First Schoolhouse

217 Flood

238 Flood, Stores, First Grist Mill in Greenbrier

315 Sass Lumber Mill

357 Schoolhouse and Whippins

361 Design and Size of Schoolhouse and Desks

385 New School and Its Burning

405 LeConte Hotel

End of Tape 1, Part 1 ~30:11.40

Start of Tape 1, Part 2

001 Continued from Part 1

024 Old Humph John Owenby, the Early Comer

046 Typhoid Fever

055 Baseball Game

088 1795 First Settlement in Gatlinburg and White Oaks Flats

120 Old Bill Whaley Settlement

135 Plymons Graveyard Data on Old Bill

170 Interview with Sally Whaley

194 Family Genealogy

228 Political Refuges from England

246 Continued Genealogy

300 John Owenby

340 List of Graveyards

365 Other Family Surnames

396 Mrs. Hill Speaks about Greenbrier Students

End of Tape 1, Part 2 ~30:12.71

Start of Tape 2, Part 3 ~30:13.29

001 Mrs. Hill Continued from Tape 1, Part 2

047 Success Story – In The Navy

073 A Promising Female Student

101 Fred Whaley’s Success

133 Number of College Graduates from Greenbrier

146 A Handicapped Success

175 Closing Down Before Lunch

200 Church Organ

205 Recap of events; Post Lunch Activities; Break for Lunch

226 Regroup after Lunch; Mr. Proffitt Talks

254 Farm Life in Greenbrier

274 Hunting and Fishing

291 Bear Trapping

319 Running from Attack; Recapture

350 Fattened Bear Gets Away

362 On My Own at 12 Years Old

384 Crops Grown in Greenbrier

397 Names of Beans

416 Hill Cultivation and Power Used

End of Tape 2, Part 3 ~30:13.29

Start of Tape 2, Part 4 ~24:24.68

001 Mr. Proffitt continues from Tape 2, Part 3

009 Skinning a Skunk

021 Fashion Machine

030 Wheat Mill above Sevierville

044 Content as Pigs

050 Reality of Leaving Greenbrier; Generation Difference

065 Roy Whaley’s Genealogy

074 Wool Craft

088 Roy’s Britches

104 Mrs. Proffitt Speaks

113 Making Lye Soap

132 Methods of Washing prior to Washboards

136 Doing Laundry Makes One Kill a Deer

143 Food Ways of Greenbrier

162 Return to Greenbrier

186 Robbing Bees

197 Mr. and Mrs. Proffitt Current Location

212 Clyde Huskey’s Family Bible

249 Civil War in the Smoky’s

275 Indians, Explosives, and Alum Cave; John Whaley’s Death

End of Tape 2, Part 4 ~24:24.68

Tape 1, Part 1 ~30.11.40 Minutes


1. HR Duncan

2. Roy Whaley

3. Mr. Isham Proffitt (Isa)

4. Mrs. Isham Proffitt (Isa)

5. Mrs. Hill

6. Superintendent Hummel

7. Mrs. Hummel

8. Clyde Huskey

9. Arnez Burns (Inez)

10. Bert Garner

11. Mr. Walker

12. Colt

13. Anne Broome

14. Unknown Audience Member (M= Man, W= Woman)

15. Ray Owenby



Sp. 1 Am I on the air or not? Uh, I hope we have an interesting program for ya. If you will let me speak with my hat on I’ll feel a little bit more comfortable here in this damp atmosphere. Oh, Sheriff, uh Sheriff Whaley come up here will ya. I guess I’d better introduce a few guests here, a lot of hiking club people and uh, ala some visitors here and um we’ll let you know who we have here we haven’t a very many of the former Green- Greenbrier people here as yet. Find you a comfortable seat there I don’t like to see ya standing around there with your hands behind your back (talking to the Sheriff). Uh, we have a Roy Whaley here, introduce him first um he uh his mother was partially reared right here in this on this location was she not Roy?

Sp. 2. I believe the grandfather moved here after she was grown and married.

Sp. 1. After she was grown and married, well you were born right up the hollar here.

Sp. 2. Yes right up here

Sp. 1. Well we may inspect your birthplace after dinner. And uh we’ll we’ll here more from you during the day. Now uh, we have uh Mr. and Mrs. uh Isham Proffitt right here, will you stand up Mr. Proffitt and Mrs. Proffitt? Um Mr. Isham Proffitt was reared right down below here his father was David Proffitt and uh David had one of the best farms in Greenbrier. And Mrs. Proffitt is a Rayfield or was a Rayfield and you were redheaded when you were young?

Sp. 4. I sure was! (Audience laughs)

Sp. 1. Uh, You had three or four redheaded sisters did you not?

Sp. 4. Yes, I did

Sp. 1. Any redheaded brothers?

Sp. 4. Yes, I had uh two

Sp. 1. Had two redheaded brothers, and I take it that you were Irish (audience laughs), Uh Scotch-Irish uh

Sp. 4. Uh, yea … yea (fades out)

Sp. 1. Uh any Scotch blood in ya?

Sp. 4. I guess so

Sp. 1. You guess so, Scotch-Irish, well there were a lot of Scot –Ir, Scotch-Irish settle in a these mountains years ago. Now uh we’ll be hearing more from you during the day so you may take your seats here (audience laughs- Duncan laughs). Now uh we have uh Mrs. Hill, will you stand up Mrs. Hill?

Sp. 5 Yes I would

Sp. 1. Uh you’ve a you a ran the a or run still running the a Smoky Mountain Academy uh, down in the Glades?

Sp. 5. Yea, about two miles from the Glades.

Sp. 1. Two miles from the Glades, well in that general territory uh you have had some Greenbrier students in your school.

Sp. 5 Quite a number

Sp. 1 Quite a number, well we’ll hear from you during the day uh Mrs. Hill am I glad to have you here by the way how long did you run the Greenbrier uh the Smoky Mountain Academy?


Sp. 5 This will be my 41st year.

Sp.1 Forty-first uh forty-first year (audience laughs and claps). Is that still a growing concern?

Sp.5 (Answer undecipherable)

Sp. 1 Well fine we, we want to hear more from you during the day. And uh back here in the brush we have Superintendent Hummel Uh mighty glad to have you here Mrs. Hummel is here too uh mighty glad to have you up here. And back here we have a Clyde Huskey, Clyde come up here a minute. Clyde Huskey, a you know that there a lot of Huskey(s) in this mountain country and uh this fellow is interested in a in a history and a dates, records, and graveyards and things like that aren’t ya Clyde?

Sp. 8 That’s right

Sp. 1. Oh were mighty glad to have ya, glad, glad to have ya and we’ll here more from you during the day. Well then uh lets see we have Arnez Burns here from a Blount County. Mrs. Arnez where are ya? Okay she is quite a historian uh she uh written the history of Cades Cove and other places. Uh, I believe you have a history of Blount County prepared ready about ready to be published?

Sp. 9 (answer undecipherable)

Sp. 1. Well fine, and uh oh Bert Garner here from Blount County, he’s an ole timer here. And uh we have a Mr. Proffitt back here, hold up your hand Mr. Proffitt, he’s the son of Mr. Isham Proffitt here and he’s got some of that red-haired blood in him I believe. You took that after your mother, well uh we have a two or three a visitors here from Washington uh Mr. Walker where is… a Mr. Walker here a he a sprang from down here in Sevier County and uh he just fits this country. Uh Colt (calling on someone)

Sp. 12 His Grandfather was Dr. Pete Walker.

Sp. 1 Dr. Pete, uh Pete Walker did he practice any up in the Greenbrier?

Sp. 12 Now and then

060 Appeal to Hiking Club about Greenbrier

Sp. 1 Now and then, alright well uh we want to make the best of this day here and um trying to work out some of the history and details of Greenbrier. We know it’s hard for you Hiking club members to realize that there were six or seven hundred people living in the Greenbrier cove at the time the Park took over. Um these um trees here have grown uh since 1927 or 28 when the park took over. And most of Greenbrier has already grown up in trees and it is hard for you to realize what Greenbrier was like a before the people the moved out. And were going to try to get a as many records as we can straighten, straighten out today as we can. Now you want to know what Greenbrier is, I’ve prepared a map here showing the uh water shed, creeks, branches and some of the roads and trails and uh we have located on this map a lot of those homesteads and um a lot of the mills. I am looking for Ann Broome you’ve got a lot of my powder. Uh, but we’ll get along until she gets here she has some of the records. But the um the Greenbrier proper takes in the this country from here up. (Viewing the MAP) Here is the mouth of the Laural. I am, I’m going to use for the most part the some, the names which the local people used about Greenbrier. And to them this is Laurel Creek coming down here and on the Map it is Rhododendron Creek, Creek. And just below the mouth of Laurel Creek is the Laurel Hill. And from there up is a Greenbrier. Here is Parton’s Branch, here is Byrds Branch, here is the left prong of the Pigeon River here is the right prong of the Pigeon River and here is the middle prong of the Pigeon River. So that is uh what uh the people think of as being as being Greenbrier uh Cove, Big Greenbrier there is a Little Greenbrier over on the Little Tennessee River. (Clears Throat) No, uh you’d be interested in some figures on population. Well there were about 100 voters in here before the Women voted is that about right Roy?

Sp. 2 Yea I guess so,


Sp. 1 When did women vote uh Roy?

Sp. 2 (crowd laughing) I believe about 1920 sometime.

Sp. 1 Did many of the Greenbrier women vote?

Sp.2. Not very many

Sp. 1 Not very many did they believe in voting or

Sp. 2 No they didn’t

Sp.1 They didn’t believe in voting

Sp.2 No sir

098 Population

Sp.1 Alright, 100 voters before the women voted here in in Greenbrier an this 1915, 16, 17 along in there.

Sp. 2 I believe it was 1918 the first time they voted

Sp. 1 Yes, well Mr. Sam Owenby who is not here today I’ll hope he’ll come in he up 85 years of age now he numbered the School children here in the Greenbrier. And numbered 409 a prospective students between the ages of 6 and 21 course a they all didn’t go to school uh boy got up 17 or 18 years of age Roy he he didn’t go to school much did he?

Sp. 2 No he didn’t he’s too big for his mother to whip when there 16 or 17 years…

Sp. 1 (Laughing) Alright uh his mother couldn’t uh get him going. Alright 409 school children numbered and uh that did not include Laurel. Laurel had a school of its own at that time and there were about 40 people over on the Laurel I understand. Now if any of you people want to correct me at anytime I just come on in we are here today to try to straighten out things as best we can its been a job to get what we have. And our records are not complete by any any means. Well counting 50 people in the Laurel that is school children under 21 years of age between 6 and 21 and the 409 that makes uh 459 uh inhabitants between 6 and 21. Well that oh yea that’s 459. Well I estimated about 25% of the children, oh of the children were under 6 and that’s another 115 makes a total of 574 children in the Greenbrier. Oh, I’ve estimated Roy that there were about 75 families living in here before the Park took over. Does that sound about right?

(This begins the Extreme background noise)


Sp. 2. Was our, so that be so ornery in your oaks so loyd (undecipherable)

Sp. 1 Well I was trying to be conservative. That doesn’t sound arrogant you’d say lower than 75

Sp. 2 (Undecipherable) …going to go smoke

Sp. 1 so if your insulted then how many?

Sp. 2 Well to look at the map

Sp. 1 Well the map well I’m conservative at any rate here

Sp. 2 (undecipherable; continues to talk in the background)

128 Population, Houses and Churches

Sp. 1 And uh estimating 3 adults per family it be 221 on that basis our total population 795 people living in the Greenbrier approximately. Before the uh the Park, uh Park took over. Yes (who was born, Susie Burns) in Greenbrier Proper, 795 on my estimate and seem to think that was pretty conservative. We have 131 homesteads there and are marked only on this map and some of them are old and have been torn down and uninhabited and were about the same time. And uh houses located there so there was a pretty big population here in the Greenbrier now then there were two Churches here in the Greenbrier the Primitive Baptist Church and the Missionary Baptist Church. The uh Primitive Baptist Church was located right in here (Looking at the Map). That is the old church above the forks of the river on the left hand, uh on the left of the right prong here. And the Missionary was located across the river there across the bridge up there on the there on the hill. Now I hope that Mr. Ice oh Mr. Um… Mr. Mayes here is secretary of the Missionary Baptist church but uh I haven’t seen him come in yet. He says the Missionary branch was organized in 1872, Missionary branch was a along towards Big Branch. The Baptist Church was organized 1872 down at the old oh at that log church which was uh down the river uh in somewhere right here. Isn’t that right Roy about right here? On the the island (or Alum.)

Sp. 2 That’s mine? (Naming a landmark)

Sp. 1 A little above island (island may be Alum). Yes oh right over it. Uh, Roy you don’t know when that church ole the first church was organized do ya?

Sp. 2 Across from the cemetery…(continues to talk, but is talked over by Duncan)

Sp.1. a few days, well I haven’t been able to establish any date for that that church atoll an um a lot of the stories and um about the stories and uh stuff…. (Undecipherable)…I hope we some good out of this map... School house, school a met - an old log church down there was used for the schoolhouse for several years. And your Aunt uh Wendy Whaley, who couldn’t make it today, uh went to school down there. And she told me and that old log uh… she was born in a

Sp. 2 They all from Louisville

172 First Schoolhouse

Sp. 1. (Undecipherable) She was born in 1882 in that school down there so that tells uh the same thing about the schoolhouse and it be the (undecipherable) there before the uh met it. Roy do you or Mr. Proffitt know who built that old log house that was converted in the first school house and the first church. Wasn’t sure…

Sp. 2 I don’t know for sure about it but um I do know…(undecipherable)


Sp. 1 That’s Old Bill, you think Old Bill built that house first and it was latter used for a church and a schoolhouse. Well I have several statements to that effect and have had statements to the contrary. Old Bill Whaley, call him “Old Bill” to distinguish him from a lot of other Bill here today, not disrespect. Old Bill Whaley was one of the first settlers in here and I’ve been confused about where he settled. Rumor tells me he uh he settled over here just about where the old Primitive church is located up here. And some have told me he settled down here.

Sp. 2 …I’m going to ask where the old log home was first.

Sp. 1 I’m inclined to believe that must be that must be correct, uh he settled, he settled right down here first when he came into Greenbrier. And uh he had one son,

Sp. 2 Now, Elijah

Sp. 1 Elijah who lived there just a-ways from y’all and also lived up here.

Sp. 2 Go take my reveal

Sp. 1 And I understand that Elijah and his son settled up here maybe Roy and then moved back down here to old place. Can you stay beside all night?

Sp.2 Uh no way to slow ya, no he’ll turn it off, turn it off

(Commotion about turning something off)

Sp.1 Up here close to where the Friendly Baptist church was, down here. Mr. Isham Proffitt…

217 Flood

Sp. 3 Well I read my mother talk about it and my daddy and also her folks. They said it come a flood there when old Uncle John Lee, he’d call me I’as (undecipherable – about 2 words) my mother one of William Whaley’s sons. It came a flood there and surrounded the house. Well we got out and there’s uh a him and the old lady away in the night the old man said "uh I think your remains Sally." "Sally get up," well said "get up Sally and cook me something to eat" said "we’re going to get washed away," said "I don’t want to be washed away hungry." (Audience laughs)

Sp. 1 That was uh, that was old John Whaley living there then was? Alright well uh one rumor is or one story is that Old Bill settled down here at this area and then they got so large they had to move out. That couldn’t happen could it Roy? And then uh he built a new house and uh they used that old house then for the church and the school. Does that sound reason?

Sp. 2 Sure didn’t phase them.

238 Flood, Stores and First Grist Mill in Greenbrier

Sp. 1 Alright, well uh we want to try and get the records straight uh as we can. Well about these churches now. The uh Roy…There’s a son each who were building these churches, they were, the congregations did and um well there was this church up here and it would take about an hour to.... Dot you remember your father he went up to that church and the congregations worshiped there taking it Sunday about uh once a month. And uh the story is they had a strong south wind here one-day and this church was built on a sand ground and the rear end of it was up on pillars and the wind blew the church down. (Audience laughs) And um that’s Lyms (?) Whaley’s side that the church divided um literally. And the building blew down the congregation divided the lumber and they come back here close to the other location and they the Missionaries over here at this lo, this location. Now uh there were three or four stores were in Greenbrier. The first um the first store was built by Will and Jim Mayes. And it was at the fork of the river and right here across the river and it was built about 1888 and operated there for more than two years before it was forced out. That flood in 1893, I think it was um washed that store out. That flood did a lot of damage around the river. I understand that most of the water fell on the left fork of the river. Over on the left fork and created a big depression. The Scottish Lumber company was operating in here at that time and that the creeks and rivers full of logs and uh brush and that big depression came and created a lot of log jams and back water and just swept out the country. Part of the graveyards down in Emerett’s Cove was washed out and the church was moved uh quite uh quite a distance and that was the time that uh Salley wanted to be fed before she was washed away to eternity. Alright, Mr. Alan Mayes has an old record book that was kept in this store during 88 and 89, I’d hope he’d be here with it uh today. Uh one of the interesting items in that in that record book; uh what the people bought what they sold and the prices, which were received for things during that day. Joe Whaley built a story at the Fork, close to where the old school house is located there was later converted into a hotel. He was the sole builder and operator of that store I believe. Joe Whaley also had a mill there, a grist mill, a grist mill there and then uh Davis Martin built a store across the river on the Joe Whaley Store, that store was operated by Sanders Proffitt, uh Ander Whaley, Andrew Whaley, Dan Whaley and finally John Messer. John Messer was the person who owned this property at the time the Park took over. And um, uh

Sp. 2 (Speaking in background) I guess uh one time they sold it back to the Whaleys.

Sp.1 Yes, I have a (undecipherable) uh Dan Whaley, and Mayfield Owenby is that the store.

Sp.2 Yes, … (speaker drowns out)

315 Sass Lumber Mill

Sp.1 Oh, well there is another store in there that I have uh, been not uh four four stories. I was told in Greenbrier that was spoken about the old Autry School house, June first, which a lot of people now living attended. And then uh they built a new schoolhouse in the in the Fork, on the river. About 1895 with lumber being sass sawed at the Proffitt- Whaley mill. Oh, it was one sass saw mill in Greenbrier and just above the gate that you people turn from around here. I understand that Mr. Proffitt’s father here David Proffitt and uh Peter Whaley uh built and operated that mill, is that correct.

Sp. 3 That’s right

Sp. 1 Well fine, do you remember that saw mill?

Sp. 3 That I do…(fades out)

Sp. 1 Uh, its all worked up till now, and it had an overshot water wheel, was all that lumber there? (Answer is muffled due to the audience laughing at the answer). That built this house here. Well uh, who built this house here? On this spot.

Sp. 14 I don’t know (audience laughs)


Sp. 1 Now the three Malcolm brothers, uh Pete me Whaley built the house here.

Sp. 2 This I’ll took

Sp. 1 Oh um, this schoolhouse down there was built about 1895 and used until about 1925. I guess you went to school there?

Sp. 14 No I never, I went to Laurel


Sp. 1 You went to school over on Laurel. Did you go to school there any Mrs. Proffitt?

Sp. 4 Too long a time ago.

Sp. 1 Uh did they have a pretty good school there?

Sp. 4 Well, I um … (fades out)

Sp. 1 Uh how many students were going there then?

Sp. 4 I don’t remember

357 Schoolhouse and Whippins

Sp. 1 You remember the whippins you got?

Sp. 4 They’re gonna tell you about it. (Audience laughs)

Sp. 1 well if, you went to school way back uh didn’t ya. How old are you Mr. Proffitt?

Sp. 3 72

361 Design and Size of Schoolhouse and Desks

Sp. 1 72, well the big Whaley family hadn’t got going so good back in that day. Now a little later about 1912 and 13 uh Thomas Whaley, a native of this Greenbrier area taught school there. Uh there were two teachers in this one room school and they had 256 children. Uh that’s what he told us.

Sp. 14 Well oh…


Sp. 1 What, 256 students in a one room schoolhouse. Did they have sort of a partition in it Roy do you remember at that time.

Sp. 2 No sir, but I remember when I there (undecipherable)…

Sp. 1 They put a partition in it.

Sp. 2 And I went to school with Thomas Whaley.

Sp. 1 Went to school with Thomas Whaley did uh you have that many students there then.

Sp. 2 Just packed in

Sp. 1 Just packed in

Sp. 2 (undecipherable)

Sp. 1 Well did you have any desks?

Sp. 2 What did you say

Sp. 1 Did you have any desks?

Sp.2 No, no you did it in your lap.

385 New School and Its Burning

Sp. 1 The desk was your lap and they were packed in there pretty solid. About 1912 and uh 13 when Mr. Thomas Whaley taught there when there was there were 256 students there in that uh schoolhouse. Well that school house was outgrown apparently and um they built a new school house up the uh river there a little ways and that was a four room up there with an auditorium a really big school. That school was not long alive, was it Roy?

Sp. 2 (undecipherable)

Sp. 1 It operated 1 or 2 years and burned down, you didn’t help Bill burn that school down did ya?

Sp. 2 No sir, I wasn’t here at that time when it burned.

405 LeConte Hotel

Sp. 1 (laughs) Alright, they built this new schoolhouse and um the old school house was converted into a hotel. And Dutch Roth has a picture here of the hotel here there on that long acre. They put a second story on that hotel and uh built some porches and an L for a kitchen and dinning room and they called that the LeConte Hotel did they not, the LeConte Hotel on the Greenbrier uh hotel. That was up there by several people and James Wet Whaley built the hotel and Ben Whaley was the third operator and James Price also operated that hotel. There were about twenty rooms. Well uh what did the people do for a school after this big 4 room schoolhouse with an auditorium burned.

Sp. 2 Well…

End of Tape 1, Part 1~ 30:11.40

Tape 1, Part 2 ~30:12.71


1. HR Duncan

2. Roy Whaley

3. Mr. Isham Proffitt (Isa)

4. Mrs. Isham Proffitt (Isa)

5. Mrs. Hill

6. Superintendent Hummel

7. Mrs. Hummel

8. Clyde Huskey

9. Arnez Burns (Inez)

10. Bert Garner

11. Mr. Walker

12. Colt

13. Anne Broome

14. Unknown Audience Member ( M = Man, W = Woman)

15. Ray Owenby

001 Continued from Part 1

Sp. 1 The Park uh took over, well there’s uh one little school that I want to mention uh that was operating, operating this close by, Bradford and Whaley’s of wife uh lived in a little log cabin down there for a while, you should remember this maybe Roy? They called it uh Granny’s uh Cabin uh Granny’s Cabin and they used it for a school for 1 or 2 years and uh what was the name Mrs. Proffitt you called that school.

Sp. 4 They called it Granny’s College

Sp. 1 (clears throat) Uh Granny’s College uh did you, you didn’t go to school at Granny’s College?

Sp. 4 Uh no…(fades out)

Sp. 1 Did you go to Granny’s College, it was a big institution?

Sp. 14 (Answer is laughed over)


Sp. 1 (Laughs) How many students went to Granny’s College uh?

Sp. 14 (undecipherable) … I believe it was about 50 or 75.


Sp. 1 50 or 75, one teacher?

Sp. 14 (undecipherable)


Sp. 1 Who was the teacher?

Sp. 14 I believe… (Undecipherable)


Sp. 1 Effie uh Effie Whaley, who was her father?

Sp. 14 (undecipherable)


Sp. 1 (laughs) White Headed Bill, and who was White Headed Bill’s father?

Sp. 14 (undecipherable)


Sp. 1 Er… Earl Whaley, alright, well uh any of ya want to say anymore about the school?

Sp. 14 I don’t remember who it was uh named after … Minnie Autry (many other)…


Sp. 1 Uhh

Sp. 14 I don’t know we called him, everybody ought to know it as the Granny House, and then we called the

M Granny Club (or Pub),

Sp. 14 (undecipherable) uh doesn’t sound right to me but it just like this everybody calls her Granny.


Sp. 1 Yes

Sp. 14 Back then we doubt that this…


Sp. 1 Uh huh

Sp. 14 that the students would know…the lady (undecipherable… Audience Laughs)…will sour temp.


024 Old Humpy John Owenby, the Early Comer

Sp. 1 (clears throat) well uh uh a little more about Granny’s College. Ole Humpy John Owenby was supposed to be one of the early comers in here and the best information he located down the road here where you see all those surroundings and the stone steps up to the uh location. He built a two-room log house with a chimney in between there were no windows in either of those cabins. And there were porthole for the logs uh (undecipherable) chimney poor it in. I think that’s a pretty clear-cut story, uh do you know anything about that Roy?

Sp. 2 Uh no (audience laughs)

Sp. 1 Uh you were about 50 or 75 years too young won’t do us much good here today. Uh well uh the story is a man uh Bill Whaley who was married to Sally Whaley, the sister of your mother built a house right up here. And lived up there for a few years and moved down there to the old Humpy John Owenby’s family. He moved one or both of those old log cabins and he moved up in the field there a little ways. And his father and his mother lived in that lived in that house and uh Mrs. Granny’s College, I think the best I can get was part of the ole Humpy John Owenby. Part of the old Humpy John Owenby cabin did that uh college have any windows in it at that time.

Sp. 14 I believe it had one little…(fades out)


046 Typhoid Fever

Sp. 1 Yes, I’ve been told that uh ole Humpy John Owenby had uh 3 or 4 sons and 2 or 3 lied down there in that old house with Typhoid Fever. Typhoid Fever and uh a lot people thought you wouldn’t die because (undecipherable) and uh thought the cause would scare ya to death of the uh some of these boys. Well um I just rambling away here.

Sp. 2 (undecipherable)… the county are good people

055 Baseball Game

Sp.1 They play uh Hoke (maybe Polk) County is that?

Sp. 2 … there was a school; they built a school there…

Sp. 1 You wasn’t dependent then.

Sp. 2 (undecipherable – audience laughs)

Sp. 1 (laughs) What did you use as bases Roy?

Sp. 2 Rocks

Sp. 1 Rocks, you didn’t have any trouble finding that home base did ya?

Sp. 2 No

Sp. 1 Well I’ve been told that uh they had a good baseball team down at the Big Greenbrier School and uh they operated operated down there. Thomas Whaley was… (Audience laughs over statement – fades out). Did you play ball Mr. Proffitt? Uh, what position did you play?

Sp. 3 (answer fades out)

Sp. 1 (laughs) you were a utility man you’d play any field. Anywhere, what uh what was your batting average when you played ball?

Sp. 3 I believe it was… (Fades out)

Sp. 1 You’d make a homerun every time you’d hit the ball.

Sp. 3 (answers – audience laughs- fades out)…

Sp. 1 It was out, you had ground rules then like they do at the Yankee stadium.

Sp. 3 (answers – fades out)

Sp. 1 (laughs) uh you didn’t, did you have, have any need for an umpire?


Sp. 3 No

Sp. 1 No, you settled your own arguments. How’d you settle them?

Sp. 3 We done real well.

Sp. 1 (laughs) Ray Owenby uh did you ever get to play in that ballgame Roy?

Sp. 2 I don’t think I ever did. I was a youngin

Sp. 1 Did you ever get in a fight at the ballgame Mr. Proffitt?

Sp. 3 No

Sp. 1 Why?

Sp. 3 We got along…(fades out)

Sp. 1 Well that uh doing pretty well, doing pretty well not to have an umpire to settle all your arguments and disputes. Now uh I have uh a tried to uh fix a date that uh when Mr. Isham Proffitt played in Greenbrier. And I haven’t been able to learn too much about that because some of these people are like Roy here that were too young to remember what year what happened in the Greenbrier. I wonder if Ray if he’d a remark that I have here on that uh that subject. (Adjustment to Microphone)…

088 1795 First Settlement in Gatlinburg and White Oak Flats

Uh Jenny and Huskey old goat and forty old widow with 5 sons, Isaac, Tom, John, Hercules (Marcus) Jim and 2 daughters, Rebecca and Polly. Came over the mountain at Edgefield County, South Carolina, in the Sugarlands in 1795. That marks the earliest settlement in Gatlinburg and White Oak Flats. Daniel Wesley records show in 1802 at the first wake (for a death or a wage) job at the White Oak Valley. Fredrick Dannipper (sounds like that) stakes a claim in the Cove in 1803. I reckon Jim from Virginia and mapped his way up the East Prong of the Little Pigeon River. Here he invented a little empire for himself. He settled there in 1804, by grant or by possession the Park took over the Cove of Greenbrier and certain areas. (Undecipherable) pushing in rapidly some of the fertile river valleys and those mountain facets (fastest) and it could not have been long after these dates that settlers entered the Greenbrier. Among the first and not the first were Humpy John Owenby, and William M. Whaley, poor Bill here to keep me, these identities straight. I’ve not been able to learn much from the people with whom I have talked and other sources about the coming in or the disappearance of Humpy John Owenby. More about him later, this idea been centered around old Bill Whaley and his many descendents who established a date of settlement. This idea was started a generation late to get a clear picture of the early settlement of the Greenbrier. Not a single former resident of Greenbrier contacted so far has been able to date or pin point early activities in the Greenbrier. Few Bible records of dates of birth, place of birth, marriages for the period of 1800 to 1860 are available. This effort to establish dates and events have been largely confined to the piecing together of bits of information or remarks from several sources. …

120 Old Bill Whaley Settlement

It is now my opinion that old Bill Whaley settled in the Greenbrier about 1809 to 11 I’m presenting this information in the hope that is approximately correct and that if it is not that additional information maybe unearth possible from this group here. I found the temp meters on the part of the those I have talked with to have more depth of early records on the habitation of the area, which is now reverted to Remeval, Remevals Forest. And to substantiate this date I am submitting the following. First several records are clear that old Bill and his brother Middlen and John came in from the Sugarlands around 1800. Uh there is some confusion about whether Middlen was a brother of old Bills or not but it seems to be clear that he was a brother. …

135 Plymons Graveyard Data on Old Bill

Old Bill, old Bill’s slate marker in the Plymons Graveyard that’s above the Primitive Baptist Church bares this partially hymn inscription. W.M. Whaley Sr. deceased in May, May 30th 1880. (Microphone moved) Aged 92, that’s on his slate marker. This would place his date of birth at 1788. And he came in about 1800 or a little after he was 12, 14, 15 years of age when he came in. Ser, Several persons interviewed are positive that old Bill lived for a time at least in the Brier. And reared a family of 9 son and 4 daughters. That’s an old living person whom I have contacted seems to know where any of this big family was born. So forth, 2 sons buried in the Plymons Graveyard have inscriptions on their markers as follows: Harry Whaley born on March 19, 1828 and lived till May 14, 1921, uh 93 years. Robert Bradford Whaley died October 12, 1914 and this was his youngest son at 84 years of (undecipherable) David Bradley was sixth and in 1941. In 1930 census registered Neal Whaley as having 4 children, 3 of them were boys I imagine uh sneak down on 2 boys and world would be fine… (Fades out). One boy was about 15; two boys would be between there and 20 years old. Uh 10 children on this …(fades out) section. The others were more athlete…(fades out). The eldest son left his place at uh 18, and the date of birth would be about 18 (fades out). Got old and married and turned out in 1909, uh 6. …

170 Interview with Sally Whaley

The Smoky Mountain, in 1942 Smoky Mountain grand files contains and interview with Sally Whaley by Marshal Wilson who is here made in 1935. Sally was the daughter of Pinkney Whaley who bought this frame house on this location here. Uh Pinkney Whaley is son of John Whaley, Old Bill’s third son. Sally was born in 1876 and died and lived until 1953. At the time of this interview she was 59 years old. And Marshal remembered a lot of Greenbrier history, which surprises the living generation of Greenbrier, failed to retain. She stated that John was born in the Greenbrier. Her son was born in Greenbrier. In 1950 census gives John’s date of birth (undecipherable) and this fits the 1930 census numeration. Ole Bill was a resident of Greenbrier and 1960 uh 1860 I beg your pardon. This John later married but moved to the Sugarlands below the Cherokee Orchard and became known as bullhead John. Said he was married 3 times and had 24 children. Is that great or what? What?

Sp. 14 (undecipherable- audience laughs)

194 Family Genealogy

Sp. 1 Uh 24 children married 3 times. Uh John is the ancestor of the Gatlinburg Hotel Whaley’s uh through uh it must have been Steve uh Steve Whaley. Eighteen of these are of record by his first 2 wives. Seven, Pless Proffitt, now 80 is your uh is your cousin Mr. Isham? States that Old Bill settled in the Greenbrier and that his brother the middle one settled in the Glades. Well, Pless Proffitt states that old Bill settled here. Eighth, uh part Ogle and the voluminous records of Ogles prepared Payne stating (or pain staking) days by his brother who had access to many records. And this record a statement is made that Polly Ogle was started out as a Huskey Ogle who came into certain area around 1795 married Wade Whaley and settled in the Greenbrier. That’s in the Ogle record that uh old Bill married Polly Ogle and settled in the Greenbrier. In 1809 William Whaley was 20 year 20 years old and Polly Ogle was old enough to have married at this time its very probable that their marriage would have been delayed. Did occur about this time. At this time after living in Tennessee, on the Tennessee side of the mountain 6 or 8 years he had the time to explore the Sugarlands, Glades a two houses become aquatinted with fedum (fades out). Uh lots of land in the Greenbrier took part of herself take 19th century was sold.

228 Political Refuges from England

The Whaley pioneers of this area, area whom Bull tells one of the, the early pioneers in this area and Old Bill was one were political refuges from England. At it is possible that this wild isolated (fades out) section was just what he was looking for. And I telling you right about 1809 built a one-room log cabin beside the clearest swift flowing waters of the Pigeon location 19A on this map. It is said that the first cabin soon became too small for his growing family and then he built a new house near by location 18 and moved into it. The old cabin was used here as the first church and also as the first school. So that is the best I can do about fixing a date. Uh we maybe able to work out uh more, more down than that see, does anyone here have anything they wish to comment about. …

246 Continued Genealogy

Bring that over uh chart right over here please. Around here uh pioneer Whaley families and a list a top Old Bill 1788 to 1880 he married Polly Ogle about 1809 these are uh his children. Now uh Mr. Bernet worked out quite a detailed record of the Whaley’s and was published in the 1939 Montgomery Indicate and uh this is marked the 6th of November and uh Old Bill’s father was seen with a timer (word unclear- maybe farmer or Tiger) I believe. Not according to yours (fades out) that’s the rest of the (undecipherable). And the chickens and the chickens were from uh Putnam County, North Carolina. At any rate, Elle Tiger was the oldest one (fades out) uh he shorten up his name. Come on. Uh alright now his son from William Whaley who married, uh Elle Grander married Polly, Will Paul Springs and second Elle married their boy. William Whaley married Betsy Parton, Ron Whaley married a Mourning M-o-u-r-n-i-n-g Mourning was first time and second time married an Ogle and I do not have his third wife. James (Iams) Whaley married Hully Gagle (maybe Holly Ogle), Irley Whaley married Susie King, was Isa Dever second? Rusty Whaley married Dever. Sheryl of them married several. Isa Whaley married Sara Ellis. Second time came around Elijah and Terry Ogle a bunch of them never married. Then he married John a like Becky. Dusty married and built park and held a national c v. Well that’s not surprising uh a lots of Ogle and Whaley’s in here and uh that been a very common name. Well (clears throat) I listed number 2 here Middlen Whaley, that I think is a brother of old bill. Uh he married a Rebecca McCarter and settled in the Glades. And uh his son was Aaron Whaley he married Sally O’Daisy (on daisy – fades out). Most of the other branch of Owenby and Whaley’s come from the area. Yes,

Sp. 14 (a question is being asked, but is undecipherable)


300 John Owenby

Sp. 1 Yes sir, well that uh that jarred maybe not. So the P… uh uh Whaley pioneers who perhaps still live in this country are old Bill here and Middlen. Now, uh now Maw here gonna have, just little on the pioneer Owenby. John Owenby came in from West Ireland in 1831from um Bum uh Bumcan County up around Asheville and he settled over in the Glades somewhere I think, over on Douglass. Uh he had uh time to leave here I believe um part of John mix (fades out). Now Mr. Sam Owenby was uh (fades out) uh was one of Jim’s. There was a number of unanswered Middle brook students (fades out) stated that the father was 14 (fades out) he was 13 years of age. Through a birth date they’re undecided when John Owenby came to uh uh Sugarlands. And uh Jimmy Owenby framed on John Owenby here there was a Mary (Larry) Owenby suddenly uh suddenly produced uh Jimmy with a son. A brother John and a cousin a Humpy (Lumpy) Owenby down here in here. Mrs. Hall has been told to me that child was never heard from. Many of the old timers and I suspect that he came here a long time ago.

340 List of Graveyards

I have a list of those graveyards there on this map has Anne Broom ever got here. She has some of the cemetery records and this is documented good (fades out). Well I can list them off hand uh the Splimoff (sounds like that) Graveyard marked by the Missionary Baptist Church; the Missionary Baptist cemetery there was the Lydge Whaley Cemetery down close to where Old Bill settled first. There is a cemetery over on the Laural, what’s the name of that

Sp.14 The… (Fades out)


Sp. 1 The Dodgen Cemetery over on the Laural and there Huskey graveyards, uh lo Hatman family graveyards down uh uh the river. Just below the Laural Hill, I believe that gets them doesn’t, yea the Owenby graveyard down the road. Yes the Park graveyard, that was over across the river was it not till the Park Ranch in uh in that area. …

365 Other Family Surnames

Now besides the Whaley’s and the Owenby's there several other families living in here the Proffitt family lived down the uh plowed here uh were not born here were ya Mrs. Proffitt, born on the Dudley she lived there most of your life, most of your life. And uh some Ogles, Messers, McCandes, help me name them, the families who lived in here. The Rayfield's, uh these Irish people

Sp. 2 Mayes and Howards

Sp. 1 Mayes and Howard’s, Stinnett's yes,

Sp.14 (audience is calling off names)

Sp.1 John Stinnett came around down here with the Missionary Baptist Church. I don’t believe there were Coffens in here they’s down on the cove I believe above the uh school down there. Yes, (baby crying in background and no talking). Well uh Mrs. Hill I want you to come up here a minute here please. Won’t you tell a little about your contact with these Greenbrier students?

396 Mrs. Hill speaks about Greenbrier Students

Sp. 5 (clears Throat) Here is a small history, a small history classes, they be tired of history alright but uh I am very happy to pay tribute to the sturdy, independent, self-reliant men of who lived in this community. You know many of them and I think they among finest men at that school. (Audience laughs) As it been mentioned here there were Baptist churches here, the Primitive and the Missionary Baptist church. Some of the girls who came over to my school said that the only line of social distinction between them was where the blonde was a Missionary Baptist or Primitive Baptist. She said that when the little girls got mad at school at she they say you dirty little Missionary Baptist or a vise a versa and uh they were pretty, (undecipherable) was and they were always wary of strangers. For fear that some belief might come into this section that they dislike and when the forerunner of the school of another denomination came to Greenbrier one time an harp singing was being held she asked permission to say a few words. And she told about uh a her purpose in them in this country and locate a place for school.

End of Tape 1, Part 2 ~30:12.71

Tape 2, Part 3 ~30:13.29


1. HR Duncan

2. Roy Whaley

3. Mr. Isham Proffitt (Isa)

4. Mrs. Isham Proffitt (Isa)

5. Mrs. Hill

6. Superintendent Hummel

7. Mrs. Hummel

8. Clyde Huskey

9. Arnez Burns (Inez)

10. Bert Garner

11. Mr. Walker

12. Colt

13. Anne Broome

14. Unknown Audience Member ( M = Man, W = Woman)

15. Ray Owenby

001 Mrs. Hill Continued from Tape 1, Part 2

Sp. 5 And this Uncle Ige Whaley who has been mentioned uh said may ask a question? And she said yes, and said whose denomination there are you? And she knew how strong the Baptist these people all were and so she thought to avoid the question she’d say well I belong to the church up yonder, they said oh yea I understand but just what are ya down here. (Audience laughs) Now uh there are ever so many stories of that kind that I could tell that have come from these a these a students who attended our school. I’m glad to say it worked praise in half of the boys and girls who (audience laughs and fades out) own sections. It was always for some reason or something they were just little more talented than and more ambitious then the children that came to our school from other communities. They had a love for poetry and if some of the expressions I used or thought of that wasn’t bad English, just remember its Old English. And uh not necessarily bad English; I noticed so many expressions of them old that were Shakespearean and so serene expressions like “just for a thought” and many other that I’d could read, said they had lack of poetry going from love and romance. They use to give plays over at the school and um which many of them took part. I remember a principal man who had been a missionary in China and had traveled all over the world and seen some of the girls, actresses who had been really famous. Said why he had never seen a trained actress that had promise more ability to interpret a character than she did she was really fine. Some there (fades out) open she first came to school she send ya old school in the Brier, I thought that that was about high as school had went. The best, I heard about over here, girl went to high school and I’m going over there, she said you’re a ham. And uh…(sound cuts off) there were 21 Whaley’s. I don’t have an official record, but I just tried to remember those who had been here. And uh there were 6 Mayes and 5 Owenby’s and uh 3 Proffitt’s and 4 Brandon’s and uh a Plymons girl and uh some Rayfield’s and um smart girls.

Sp.1 Did they come and board at your school and go to school?

Sp. 5 Uh well some of them boarded in our boarding department and some of them had relatives and uh in the case of two or three they built little cabins down there and the children came and did their own housekeeping. There just 2 or 3 others that I’ll tell about, I wish I could tell about every one of them because, I think I could tell something good about everyone that ever came. Well except uh well I don’t know that this would be so bad, but one thing, I met a man coming off the hill with a suitcase…

Sp. 1 What hill?

Sp. 5 Coming off the hill our school is on the hill. He was coming off the hill with his suitcase and I said well where are you going? He said well I’m a quitting school. I said quitting school what do you intend to do with your life. He said well I loud to play to ball and catch bears. Well I don’t know what he really did do but I think I can say…

Sp. 1 Who was he?

Sp. 5 Well I don’t believe I you who he was. (Audience laughs) he wasn’t Roy at all (audience laughs), he was a Whaley, though I’ll tell that much but I will say

Sp. 2 Found at the top

Sp. 5 Uh in it’s closed off, and um

Sp. 1 Have you catched, have you catched any bears

Sp. 5 Oh yes we use to always have bears and tim up here. I remember what uh Mrs. Whaley maybe you remember who she was that had all her fingers bitten off?

047 Success Story- In The Navy

Sp. 2 That’s Doc’s Mother

Sp. 5 Yes I believe, I believe, uh I believe it was. And um then there were 3 of your well 2 half brothers and a half sister they sent us, Theodore Proffitt and Otis Proffitt and Julius Proffitt. I remember very well when Julius decided to quit school and join the Navy. He was hardly old enough to join and he wanted me to uh go with him to the recruiting station. I said well I’ll go with ya but I wonder if you’re old enough. Does your Momma willing for you to go? And he said she may not be exactly willing but uh she said I could go and I said are you really sure Julius? He said well, yes. So when they asked me I said he says he’s old enough but I’ve never known him to tell a story. Well, he spent a few days with the in uh Knoxville before he went on to Nashville. And uh the 4th of July came along and uh he went out and when he came home he said "oh I’ve just had the best time out at that park," he said, "you know people diving off the high boards?" I went down and uh hired me one of them suits I just got up on that plank and dove on in and out dived the whole lot of them. (Audience laughs) Well that was his Benny’s attitude toward life. I think just to out do the other fellow a little bit as far as he can he stayed in that, well he is still with the Navy isn’t he, but he put his period of active service in so little time to retire. When I saw him just before WWII he had stripes all the way from the top of his shoulder down to his hand and different insignia one kind and another. And he had some time in the course of his service uh served on the Presidential Yacht the Mayflower that was the name of it, not the Mayflower of 1620. But wasn’t that the name of the Presidential Yacht? That one of the Presidents had…

Sp. 1 Depends on which President your talking about.

073 A Promising Female Student

Sp. 5 Well I don’t remember the President it was sometime during his term of service he was on that ship. And uh one other girl I wanted 2 others that I wanted to tell just a little bit about. Uh one was a girl, who came when she was I suppose 13 or 14 years old. And when she was in the 10th grade if, I remember correctly, her father got a chance to get a job for her in the uh Post Office or General Store of the Little River Lumber Company. And uh because it was a chance to make some money he thought she should go. She regretted very much to go; she was an obedient child. So she did and pretty soon some of the men over there saw just how capable and efficient she was and suggested to her father that if he’d send her to the Business College that she probably would be able to hold a much better position and make more money. So she went to the Drama Business College and uh in the course of time graduated and took a good job in North Carolina. But she was never satisfied about the fact that she had quite school before she finished off school. And just as old as she felt, just as soon as she felt old enough to be independent. She gave up her job and came back to the academy and finished her high school courses. And then the fact that she had had this business course enabled her to work her way through Carson Newman College. And she graduated by Cum Laude and married a minister. And he is the Pastor at the present time the churches South Carolina that dates to the Revolutionary War; she has been a wonderful Pastor’s wife and mother. Just two or three years ago her oldest daughter graduated from Fuhrman University with very high honors, and uh year before last I think it was her younger daughter uh received a scholarship in Spanish to study Spanish in the University of New Mexico. I think it was just one of the 5 scholarships granted in the whole United States of that kind. She was Margie Gray; she is now Margie Gray Altman. Some of you will remember her.

Sp. 1 You haven’t mentioned Freddie Whaley do you…

101 Fred Whaley’s Success

Sp. 5 Well I will say a little about Fred Whaley. The first time Fred came over to uh see me about going to school he said uh Aunt Mary Proffitt and by the way he gives your mother and Otis credit for his becoming interested in going on to school. And said Aunt Mary Proffitt aloud if I come over here you’d give me a chance to go to school. I don’t have any money but I can work. And uh oh you wouldn’t stick if I’d give you a chance to work. He said well all I ask is you just give a trial. So we made a way for him and he said until he finished high school and he really came back in the summers while he was in Carson Newman. Then he did his premedical work at the University and went on to the medical college in Memphis and uh during the War he had interned in the Municipal Hospital in Tampa, Florida. And um during the War he was flight surgeon and came back and located in St. Petersburg where he is now and he has a very large practice. And has been successful and…

Sp. 1 You uh had to give him financial assistance uh?

Sp. 5 Oh yes, he had financial assistance though I felt that he earned everything that uh was given to him. That was one thing about these boys and girls, those, who worked their way, wanted to feel that they earned everything they got. And I think they did.

Sp. 1 He finished your school and uh finished Carson Newman…

Sp. 5 He didn’t finish Carson Newman. I think he went 2 years to Carson Newman then, they didn’t have the courses of study at Carson Newman that he needed right then, so he went to the University of Tennessee for several summer sessions until he had enough then for medical college.

Sp. 14 I beg your pardon, I list Fred as being (fades out)


Sp. 5 And um, then I just could, I just couldn’t uh…

Sp. 1 Well uh is Fred really uh problem seeing or positioning or power position down there?

Sp. 5 Well he is a General Practitioner and he has a very large practice.

Sp. 1 Does he ever come back to see ya?

Sp. 5 Well he was, he visited me this summer, with his family he has 3 little boys and married a girl he met at Carson Newman College from Springville, Tennessee.

Sp. 1 Now has he given in return some help to you?

Sp. 5 Yes, everything that comes along that uh we are trying to do at the school, he sends me a donation, has all these years.

Sp. 1 Well that’s fine

133 Number of College Graduates from Greenbrier

Sp. 5 And in addition to that, he told me sometime ago that he had set me up in his will because he felt like that next to uh his mother, I meant more to him than anybody. I didn’t intend to tell that, but anyway I do want (audience claps). I do want you, uh what I am trying to say is, that I want you to know that these boys and girls (fades out). I believe there are 15 college graduates among the 54 I have listed here and I am not sure that that is all. And there are teachers, and ministers; a good many of the teachers in Sevier County went to school there before they went to college. They have gone to several different colleges, Mars Hill College because that gave and opportunity for work, Carson Newman College, and some to the University of Tennessee. But uh 15 of them have gone to college and many of them are teachers.

146 Handicapped Success

But I couldn’t quit without telling about one more girl that came from this community because of all the people I know that I think deserves credit for what she’s done, that girl does. She was a dwarf; all of you who have been around here know that she was Evelyn Owenby. And Evelyn came to school and finished there. I thought so many times while she was there that people who physically handicapped that she was the uh just adult most of them. And say well I can’t do anything, I but she went there and in the mean time Mrs. Arial Harris in Knoxville became interested in her. And she wanted to do religious work and she went uh our Baptist Bible Institute in New Orleans, it was called then and finished the courses of study there and uh she came back and she served the Sevier County Association as Association of Work for a year. And since then she has been teaching. Well in the summer she’s been taking extension courses all along and in the summer she has gone to summer school so that she is listed as a Senior at Carson Newman College. She must be, oh I don’t know how old Evelyn is but I was talking to her not long ago and she says well I intend to finish college if I’m a 100 years old before I do it, but she is listed as a senior. Oh there are many more that I could tell about who worked hard who made good. I think this has been one of the most wonderful…

Sp. 1 You had only one, one boy that pulled out on ya?

Sp. 5 So far as I remember, now not all who came from this community or any other community of course stayed and finish, but the ones I told about are those that stayed and finished. But I don’t remember but the one who, who left before the school year was over.

Sp. 1 Thank you very much uh Mrs. Hill (audience claps).

Sp. 5 If you bare with me I might read this list of names I hope jar your memory…

175 Closing Down for Lunch

Sp. 1 Were going to put up a lot of uh list on the cabin here, lets uh pin it up here and uh people can look it over during and after lunch. Now it’s about lunchtime, and um now you people have been very attentive and must be tired sitting around here in various positions. Uh you want to ask any questions for a few minutes here? Between here and Gatlinburg, go down to the where you turn off the new highway going back to Gatlinburg right you run through the Glades.

Sp. 14 About where the swimming pool is in the Greenbrier…


Sp. 1 Any other questions?

SP. 14 On your map where would Haggles Ferry Road is stated on that?


Sp. 1 Its number 1 location. This map may be looked cockeyed to a lot of ya. I ways think of like to look at the Greenbrier coming out.

Sp. 14 What part of the stream are you calling Laural?


Sp. 1 That’s now named loth uh Rhododendron Creek. Dutch Roth has a lot of pictures here of the Greenbrier, and uh he has pictures of some of these old mills here, very good picture of the old mill wheels now we listed about 20 mills. Uh gristmills, we’ll have that list up on the cabin here for ya to see.

200 Church Organ

Sp. 5 I remember over at the school, there was the old Greenbrier wholesale, I know some of the employees brought the building mound and (fades out) the organ we had in the Church was the organ from the Missionary Baptist Church…

Sp. 1 I see

Sp. 5 the organ in our church was $20 and gave them $20 to the school.

205 Recap of events; Post Lunch Activities; Break for Lunch

Sp. 1 So that building was first a schoolhouse accommodating over 200 students later a magnificent hotel and now is your recreation building over at the Smoky Mountain Academy. Any other questions here? Now uh after dinner, would some of ya like to take a little hike up around here to let Roy and others talk about some of these old homesteads. Roy would you want to do that? Well fine we’ll better have lunch and take this little trip after, after lunch. Thank you very much, I am sorry we did more of the former residents here. A little rain must have dampened their enthusiasm, but uh you can tell if most of you like such a meeting or not, whether we should uh, uh maybe have another one sometime and uh going into other phases of the history of the of the Greenbrier. Alright uh lets uh…(audience claps)

(Lunch Time – They Break)

226 Regroup after Lunch; Mr. Proffitt Talks

Sp. 1 Now if you’ll if you’ll be seated out here we have a little, a few more formalities we ought to go through with. Uh Mr. Proffitt …(fades out – or no speaking occurs). We want all the people who came in who were former residents of the Greenbrier to say a few words and uh to have their voices recorded and we have here Mr. Isham Proffitt. I believe your father’s name was David Proffitt, Mr. … and is this your father’s picture.

Sp. 3 Yes it was.

Sp. 1 About how old was he when this picture was taken.

Sp. 3 Somewhere around about 40.

Sp. 1 About, about 40, how long did he live Mr. Proffitt?

Sp. 3 About 67 I think when he died.

Sp. 1 He was not born in the Greenbrier, but he moved in about 1886, I believe.

Sp. 3 That’s right.

Sp. 1 Now he owned quite a farm down the road here, how much farm did he own.

Sp. 3 I could, I’d just have to make a rough guess at it, I couldn’t tell, something around, around 300 acres.

Sp. 1 Was he uh, was that farm considered to be one of the best farms in Greenbrier?

Sp. 3 It was

Sp. 1 Well tell us a little bit about the farm and what you did as a boy when you worked on that farm.

Sp.3 Well I couldn’t tell you nothing much that be interested in in it much.

Sp. 1 Anything you tell us will be of interest.

254 Farm Life in Greenbrier

Sp. 3 All back when we grew up there uh we just uh we worked on the farm. We worked uh 6 days a week when it wasn’t raining. We made what we eat and eat what we made. We uh, we uh had plenty of fruit, plenty of berries to eat and we had uh reasonable clothes enough to stay warm when we had a good fire. And uh we had a good time growing up but sometimes it was pretty tough. We we enjoyed it most of the time. Of the fall and winter when we was not working of the farm we back we hunted back here in these mountains. Up these rivers we had camps back up in here a mile or 2 further and we’d go up there and fish and laid out up in there maybe a week at a time. Kill squirrels, catch a big groundhogs

Sp. 1 Did you eat groundhog?

Sp. 3 Yea when they was fat, the young ones.

Sp. 1 What else did you catch up there?

Sp. 3 Fish is about all, squirrels plenty of squirrels and uh plenty of fish.

274 Hunting and Fishing

Sp. 1 What kind of fish?

Sp. 3 Trout, speckled trout

Sp. 1 Plenty of mountain speckled trout

Sp. 3 That’s right!

Sp. 1 Uh they pretty good uh for you boys weren’t they?

Sp. 3 Sure was

Sp. 1 Did you take along some bacon to uh make a little juice to fry them in?

Sp. 3 We took our bacon, coffee, and a little cooking outfit. We uh we’d cook our squirrels of a night over a thing like that out there, with the kennel. Ya cook in of the night you know, uh we’d have us a fire, we’d had to keep fire up there to keep from freezing, pretty cool of the night on back up here a good ways. So I guess that’s about all about that.

Sp. 1 Did you catch any bear? Kill any bear up in there when you were a boy?

Sp. 3 No I never did, but uh people uh my neighbors use to catch them and kill them, a lot of them.

Sp. 1 Did you ever see a bear brought in with skinned a meat?

Sp. 3 I happened to, I happened to tie one of the Meece girl’s coat back here on that there mountain over there called Horse Shoe Mountain.

Sp. 1 Tell us how you rode him and tied him.

291 Bear Trapping

Sp. 3 You took a rope, took a rope and uh built a chain, a rope tied to a drawing chain, chain. We’d throw that around his neck in a loop and uh was fast uh you see had one foot in the big trap. Well we uh, 2 or 3 men take that rope and wind it around a sapling and they’d get another one then and uh go the other way. You see one foot would be fastened in the trap. Well we’d keep pulling on that rope we’d choke the gentlemen down. He’d get so week he’d couldn’t…

Sp. 1 They were all gentlemen bears were they, (audience laughs)

Sp. 3 Gentlemen bears? (Laughs)

Sp. 1 Gentlemen bears, they were all gentlemen bears were they?

Sp. 3 We’d choke that thing down you know until he’d get weak. Then we’d tie his feet together so he’d. And tie a stick in his mouth with, run back here around his head you know, with stout string or wire something. And uh then we’d uh put pole, a long pole between his legs ya know the hind legs the front legs. Took 4 men to carry that one in. That’s about the way we

Sp. 1 How far did you carry it?

Sp. 3 All around 2 miles.

Sp. 1 To Laural?

319 Running from Attack; Recapture

Sp. 3 No we’d take down to water course, down the water course and finally we’d come into the open ground the open woods ya see, and then we’d get along pretty well. This big one we couldn’t carry him down there it was rough we uh after we had him tied we turned him loose. We had…

Sp. 1 Did you have to turn him loose?

Sp. 3 We uh had uh ropes to his hind legs and one to his front legs and this chain around his neck, a rope to it. They put me in front to uh uh keep him from hitting the hill side ya see going up through here, the 2 men behind him with these ropes to hold him back. We went about from here to that spring house and uh he turned around and got them rolling, I said I could boy he just jerked them around loose around and there he came right down that dream (stream) on me. (Audience laughs)

Sp. 1 No um argument Ms. Mary, what did you do?

Sp. 3 There was a log about that high up across the building where we lured the other one. The mountain came in steep; I jumped up on that, put my rope across it. I ain’t stop it, he went under that, the bear went under. And I was standing on up there and so he uh I seen that I couldn’t do no good and uh I done the rope loose. He went on down went down there and went over some big drop falls and down into a bunch of water and uh we had to go around that uh cliff, he went off over it. And uh then me and another fellow got around he was going up the mountain. But we caught them ropes you see that were behind him. He went one way and we the other and we wowned (rap around) around the saplings. We got him back to the down into the water, small little dream (stream) and uh…

Sp. 1 Retied him and brought him out did ya?

Sp. 3 We uh, he wouldn’t go no further getting down in pretty close to the open ground. He wouldn’t go any further. And he turned back for fright so we stretched him out and tied him and carried him on in.

Sp. 1 Whatcha do with him?

350 Fattened Bear Gets Away

Sp. 3 Well they that caught him put him up in a pin and fattened him feed him like fattening a hog. Feed him corn, bread, or anything like that and uh just about the time he got ready to uh butcher him and take him to town Knoxville, sell him. They’d get good price back then for bear meat. Course I wouldn’t give a penny for it.

Sp. 1 I’ll be down there when you do eat bear meat.

Sp. 3 Very little, just a very little, don’t like it.

Sp. 1 You just don’t like it, you won't eat it.

Sp. 3 No, and uh the bear got loose and ran off one night just before daylight and got away. That man lost. (Audience laughs).

Sp. 1 Wants out don’t worry he’d open it.

362 On My Own at 12 Years Old

Sp. 3 But uh back uh back when I left Dad down here got about 12 or 13 year old you know. I got out to make my living myself and didn’t have no school much, about 2 months, 2 ½ and 3. One would have 3 month or one would have, sometimes they’d have 2 ½ cut ½ of the month off, 2-½ month school. That’s about all the school we got up here then. Back when I was 10, 8 and 10, 12 years old so I didn’t learn very much.

Sp. 1 When did you leave the Greenbrier?

Sp. 3 Well I left 2 or 3 times then come back.

Sp. 1 Are you, you uh the man that went to Oregon and then uh didn’t like out in Oregon and came back to Greenbrier?

Sp. 3 Yea, I liked it alright, but Momma couldn’t have her health so I came back.

Sp. 1 Came back to Greenbrier to live in it.

Sp. 3 That’s, uh that’s right.

Sp. 1 Uh you like uh Greenbrier?

Sp. 3 Yes pretty well, I like the folks up here better in Greenbrier.

384 Crops Grown in Greenbrier

Sp. 1 Uh about this farm down here, uh what crops did you grow on the farm?

Sp. 3 We’d grow corn, hay, wheat, oat, potatoes, garden vegetables.

Sp. 1 Did all of these grow well up here?

Sp. 3 They did.

Sp. 1 You’d keep them all year.

Sp. 3 Yea, we raised lots of beans

Sp. 1 Did you have beans 365 days

Sp. 3 Yea, had had lots of beans. Mr. Whaley, Roy Whaley we’d didn’t have no beetles neither to bother ya. Just planted the beans and they growed right out in our corn.

Sp. 1 Did you uh maters (tomatoes) from the green beans?

Sp. 3 Yea and we’d dry them

Sp. 1 Dry them and uh haul them out.

397 Names of Beans

Sp. 3 And then these here women, the Greenbrier women would take needle and tread and tread them up on real long strings and hang them up on the wall and they’d dry them. Do any of you women know what they called them beans? Huh, that’s one name what’s another, that’s right, what’s another one. Chuck beans, potter bean, string beans…

Sp. 1 Leather belt was another name for it

Sp. 3 Yea, that was a name for them.

Sp. 1 What’s another name for them?

Sp. 3 Well I never did, I just called either one come in my mind, I never did have no real name for them cause I didn’t like them. (Audience laughs)

Sp. 1 Well, if I’d did (fades out). The last fam-alog-tillery (sounds like- farm belong a Tillery) was that farm down here.

Sp. 3 No, not on the from the hill back to the river. It was lever.

Sp. 1 How about the other fans (farms- family-sounds like)?

416 Hill Cultivation and Power Used

Sp. 3 Well it was it was standing up, lean back a little. (Audience laughs) some of it was pretty steep.

Sp. 1 You grew corn on that now

Sp. 3 We sure did

Sp. 1 Did you use an oxen or a mule, or horse or manpower?

Sp. 3 We use mules and manpower together uh word was to steep for the mule stand up, we’d take a gooseneck hoe which curt those metals from that corn.

Sp. 1 Didn’t plow the land at all?

Sp. 3 No

Sp. 1 Was that hill land down there pretty rich?

End of Tape 2, Part 3 ~30:13.29

Tape 2, Part 4 ~24:24.68


1. HR Duncan

2. Roy Whaley

3. Mr. Isham Proffitt (Isa)

4. Mrs. Isham Proffitt (Isa)

5. Mrs. Hill

6. Superintendent Hummel

7. Mrs. Hummel

8. Clyde Huskey

9. Arnez Burns (Inez)

10. Bert Garner

11. Mr. Walker

12. Colt

13. Anne Broome

14. Unknown Audience Member ( M = Man, W = Woman)

15. Ray Owenby

001 Mr. Proffitt continues from Tape 2, Part 3

Sp. 3 Some of that washed away and wore out. And on to the nature of it, our our land down there stayed good, cause my Dad took care of it.

Sp. 1 Did you grow any cotton anywhere in the Greenbrier?

Sp. 3 None to speak of, very little, I’ve seen a little bit grow in my life, very little.

Sp. 1 You knew Alan Mayes did you not?

Sp. 3 Yea I growed up with him.

Sp. 1 They tell me that Alan Mayes was quite a trapper.

Sp. 3 Yea that’s right he caught lots of game in here in this country.

Sp. 1 What did he trap for?

Sp. 3 Mink and uh other game.

Sp. 1 Oh uh opossum,

Sp. 3 Yea

Sp. 1 And some (fades out)

Sp. 3 Well I don’t, don’t know about whether he ever caught any or not, I guess if he did he got away pretty quick. (Audience laughs)

009 Skinning a Skunk

Sp. 1 He was telling me that he did catch some uh, skunk and he’d catch a black skunk uh his hide was very valuable.

Sp. 3 Yea

Sp. 1 And uh he’d catch a skunk and put it down in a pool of clear water and skin it under water he’d wouldn’t get any odor on him.

Sp. 3 Well…

Sp. 1 Did you ever do that?

Sp. 3 No, no I never did. I never skinned one that I knowd of. But there was a man who lived right over on the middle plank of the river, that lots of trappers would take their skunks to him. He’d skin um for them he couldn’t smell. (Audience laughs)

Sp. 1 Who uh, who was he?

Sp. 3 Well he wasn’t married at that time, is that right Roy?

Sp. 1 It didn’t make much since for him being married was there?

Sp. 3 No, uh at that Roy Whaley knows him, where he at?

Sp. 2 Right behind ya here

Sp. 1 He’s backing you up.

Sp. 3 Roy Whaley it was Hercules Ellis, you know it he couldn’t smell he’d clean them or skin them.

Sp. 1 Well uh are you did you raise wheat down there?

Sp. 3 Yea we raised some wheat, not very much uh but uh

021 Fashion Machine

Sp. 1 Did you have a fashion machine come in here at that time.

Sp. 3 We uh, we had Armstrong’s Fashion Machine, does any of you ladies know what that was? (Audience laughs) huh, whalebone, whalebone, a stick a twist stick, a stick that twisted and hit uh turn over this way. I guess they’ve seen them. You’d crush it by that…

Sp. 1 Frail it out

Sp. 3 … and then one man pour it down and the other with a quilt. Two men with a quilt one over on this side, and one here. And families share wheat, goes to chap house. Throw it out.

Sp. 1 What did you do with that wheat when you got it laying out straight?

Sp. 3 Take it to the mill, grind it then turned it over to the women.

Sp. 1 What did the women do with it?

Sp. 3 They uh, made bread out of it.

Sp. 1 Uh what mill did you take it to, Mr. Proffitt?

030 Wheat Mill above Sevierville

Sp. 3 My Dad always took his to Umbarger’s Mill above Sevierville.

Sp. 1 Did you grind any of the wheat these little tub mills around and make uh gram flour out of it.

Sp. 3 My Dad, he uh finally uh polish that uh corn mill down here on the water, he finally on the mast fixed a bolt, a bolt that was week and then ground some on it but not very much. Couldn’t have success with it.

Sp. 1 Wasn’t nothing you could do then.

Sp. 3 No

Sp. 1 Well did you use much wheat bread?

Sp. 3 Well there was some families that uh wheat bread and biscuits for breakfast and then there was some of them had uh one sack of flour, 25lb bag of flour about Christmas times and the rest of them, most of them eat corn bread. Three times a day, isn’t that Roy Whaley?

Sp. 2 (undecipherable)… orange juice

Sp. 1 Well you people always had plenty to eat didn’t ya?

Sp. 3 Yea we did, we had plenty to eat.

Sp. 1 And uh you were content?

Sp. 3 Yea

Sp. 1 And happy?

Sp. 3 Yea

044 Content as Pigs

Sp. 1 Uh Pless uh Pless Proffitt told me the uh the people were just as content up here as pig laying out in the sunshine.

Sp. 3 Yea we was, most everybody was. One man left this country we never of him before, never knowd he’s coming. I don’t guess he was contented. About the only one I believe.

Sp. 1 Did uh, most of the people want to move out of the park from across the Greenbrier in ‘28 and ‘29 when the park came in here and took the land?

050 Reality of Leaving Greenbrier; Generation Difference

Sp. 3 Well, there was part of the younger generation that was very willing to go, but the most uh old settlers in here then they uh they uh just didn’t want to go. They just uh some of them I talked to before they left and just break down and cried. Been raised here and uh take them up never been out very much they just hated to get out of the cove. They just, might just rather died as to un-took the wrong way.

Sp. 1 Thank you very much Mrs. Uh Mr. Proffitt we want to get Mrs. Proffitt up here a minute. Uh Mrs. Proffitt, uh Mrs. Proffitt, well uh Roy, Roy Whaley come up here a minute. Who was your mother Phoebe Queen and some of us married from this home here?

Sp. 2 I guess she was married before my Grandfather moved to this place. While they lived in Emerett’s Cove.

065 Roy Whaley’s Genealogy

Sp. 1 And your grandfather was Pinkney Whaley.

Sp. 2 Yes

Sp. 1 And his father was John Whaley

Sp. 2 Yes

Sp. 1 And his father was Old Bill Whaley

Sp. 2 Yes sir

Sp. 1 And uh, your father was Jim Whaley.

Sp. 2 Yes sir,

Sp. 1 And uh, Jim was the son of Isaac’s

Sp. 2 Yes sir

Sp. 1 And Isaac was a son of Old Bill.

Sp. 2 Yes sir,

Sp. 1 And you uh Isaac Whaley built a log house up the road here that we are going to see this afternoon.

Sp. 2 Yes sir,

Sp. 1 And you were born and reared there?

Sp. 2 Yes sir,

Sp. 1 Uh this is fortunate section do you recognize this exhibit?

Sp. 2 I do

Sp. 1 Tell us about this Roy.

074 Wool Craft

Sp. 2 That’s uh cover lid that’s a mother wool when she was a young women. She use to um weave and make all the older children’s clothes. There was 15 of us children in the family and I was one of the younger ones. There’s only one younger than I. There’s a lot she uh, my father had a herd of sheep she made the clothing and she made cover ledge and blankets and they usually made what ever they needed.

Sp. 1 I’ve been told that she probably shared the wool off the sheep to save this, ain’t that right Roy?

Sp. 2 Yes

Sp. 1 And she spun the wool, uh the wool into grabs and

Sp. 2 Yes sir,

Sp. 1 She died it with uh home homemade dyes

Sp. 2 Yes sir

Sp. 1 And wove the coverlid.

Sp. 2 Yes sir,

Sp. 1 Uh how old is this coverlid Roy?

Sp. 2 I wouldn’t be surprised that coverlid didn’t possible 70 years old, 60 or 70 something like that.

Sp. 1 Your mother made a lot of the clothes for the family.

Sp. 2 Yes sir,

Sp. 1 Did she not, uh did she reckon uh jeans britches or cloth to make britches out of and things like that?

Sp. 2 Yes she did

088 Roy’s Britches

Sp. 1 Did she make your Roy uh britches?

Sp. 2 No sir, uh

Sp. 1 You were too young

Sp. 2 I was too young, I got store bought clothing. (Audience laughs)

Sp. 1 She grew some cotton did she not?

Sp. 2 Uh very little if any, I don’t I don’t know if they grew any cotton or not.

Sp. 1 Uh Roy did your mother want to leave Greenbrier?

Sp. 2 No she didn’t.

Sp. 1 Uh she settled down in Sevierville, and lived there for several years or so

Sp. 2 Yes sir,

Sp. 1 after the uh after she moved uh after she moved out.

Sp. 2 Yes sir,

Sp. 1 Well Roy will tell us a little bit more about his growing up days as we go up the road here. Uh have we located Mrs. Proffitt yet?

Sp. 14 Why here she is right here in the house


Sp. 1 Mrs. Proffitt

Sp. 4 (undecipherable)

Sp. 1 I’ll pin on, uh just pin that thing right there. Uh Mr. Proffitt uh got started here and he just talked on and on

Sp. 4 He’s told a great long story.

Sp. 1 Uh we want you to tell us something about the women’s activities uh in the Greenbrier when you were growing up.

104 Mrs. Proffitt Speaks

Sp. 4 Well during my days we, we chopped corn help make molasses and um dried apple fruit and uh done what ever there was to do on the farm.

Sp. 1 Was it up to you women to make the garden?

Sp. 4 Yes it was

Sp. 1 Uh what the men do?

Sp. 4 Well they made, uh growed corn and other grain ya know.

Sp. 1 Uh the men, the women generally looked after all the gardens.

Sp. 4 All the gardens and they done the milking and all the churning and the washing. We washed on washboards and made our own soap.

113 Making Lye Soap

Sp. 1 Uh tell tell uh this crowd here how you made soap.

Sp. 4 Well way back when we first got to making soap, we burn green wood in a fireplaces and we have what we called ash hoppers and we put up full of the ash and these hoppers and get them all and beat it down good and hard. And when ya go to drip this lye we made our soap out of we’d put a something like a trough I guess some of you people have seen trough in under this. Poor water up in this hot mold and this run through and it would red lye that would come out. Take this lye, put it a kettle and put grease in there and we save our own soap grease. When we killed our hogs, we saved the uh ya know the uh whatever you call it, just what meat we didn’t use you know just like we’d call chitlens or something like that ya know. We made our soap ourselves.

Sp. 1 So you saved the chitlens?

Sp. 4 Yea, soap dish ya see, we made soap out of this. That’s what we washed our clothes with.

Sp. 1 Did you use it to wash your hands with?

Sp. 4 Well no, we’d uh well part of the time we did when didn’t, couldn’t buy soap, you know there was a time we couldn’t buy soap, way back. But on out late years we could buy enough to you know to wash our hands and face, but we used, we just we called it lye soap ya know we’d make it and wash our clothes with.

Sp. 1 That was pretty good soap was it?

132 Methods of Washing prior to Washboards

Sp. 4 Yes it was, but there were washboards back when I was a girl. We washed clothes with a battlen stir, with a battling stick and with our hands. Something like a paddle ya know, a battle.

Sp. 1 Did you do that in a tub or in the creek?

Sp. 4 Trough, in a trough then

Sp. 1 Did the trough shoot out of the big river?

Sp. 4 Yea Poplar Log,

Sp.1 Uh, that’s your battling stick.

Sp. 4 Um hum yea that’s right

Sp. 1 Did uh you ever hear about uh Chris Park was I believe it was killed a dear with a battling stick?

136 Doing Laundry Makes One Kill a Deer

Sp. 4 Yes, I think I remember about that, yes she was washing and a deer come along she killed it I think with a battling stick since you mentioned I’d forgot about it.

Sp. 1 Well how did that deer happen to come along

Sp. 4 I don’t remember about that now

Sp. 1 Hadn’t the dogs run it in the river down there there where she was washing?

Sp. 4 Yea, yea I think so, run it into the river and she

Sp. 1 She got out in there and killed that deer.

Sp. 4 Yea killed the deer with a battling stick.

Sp. 1 She had fresh venison

Sp. 4 Yes that was right

Sp. 1 Did you have much wild game uh that you ate from fried meat?

143 Food Ways of Greenbrier

Sp. 4 No I didn’t my father wasn’t much of a hunter. Now his father, my grandfather was and one of his brothers was a great hunter but my father didn’t take no interest in hunting. But we’d uh he would kill what we’d call gray squirrels sometimes we’d get a mess of them and uh fish but he never did kill no bear nor deer.

Sp. 1 Ellis uh had enough hogs to make yuns plenty of meat.

Sp. 4 Yes we had plenty of meat, had plenty of milk and butter and plenty of molasses and potatoes and dried apple fruit and dried peach fruit, so all so that what we mostly what we bought was just uh soda, flour, sugar and so on like that, coffee. The rest of the stuff we’d usually growed it.

Sp. 1 Say uh you were married in the Greenbrier?

Sp. 4 Well yes, on Laural now, see yall lived on Laural Creek.

Sp. 1 Uh who performed your wedding ceremony?

Sp. 4 Well Bradford Whaley, Uncle Bradford who was a minister and he was the one who married us.

Sp. 1 Were you married at home?

Sp. 4 Yes I was

Sp. 1 Uh did you have any bridesmaids?

Sp. 4 No I didn’t, sure didn’t

Sp. 1 Wasn’t in that day

Sp. 4 No, (audience laughs)

Sp. 1 And uh you went to Washington, Oregon one and it was you that got homesick for the Brier?

162 Return to Greenbrier

Sp. 4 Well, not all together. I liked it pretty well we’d sold out and got broke up kindly and I didn’t much want to come back but my husband said you can’t, said the doctor says you can’t live here. I said well if I die here why you’d got me a hike back to Sevier County and leave me here and (audience laughs) and uh I decided I’d better come on back while I was a live before he could bury me there (audience laughs).

Sp. 1 Not much chance for you. Uh you went to school at Granny’s College, I believe.

Sp. 4 No, uh huh no now some of my children did ya see, that Granny’s College was a school in my children’s days.

Sp. 1 You went to school of the day over at the Laural?

Sp. 4 Yes I did

Sp. 1 And um the school terms were 2 or 3 months or 5 maybe months

Sp. 4 Yea about a couple of months, maybe a month and a half part of the time but uh

Sp. 1 Did your school begin in August or July?

Sp. 4 About in August about the second weekend

Sp. 1 And uh school was out before cold weather.

Sp. 4 Yes then we had to get out and pick beans, and make molasses and we’d get to go about a month. So we’d have to get out and pick a lot of beans, we’d uh grew a lot of beans.

Sp. 1 You have vacations to pick beans and things like that.

Sp. 4 Yea

Sp. 1 You uh, does anything around this place look natural to you?

Sp. 4 I seen so many rocks that look awful familiar and uh

Sp. 1 These here rocks came from this hill over here on the creek, you remember that hill over on the creek? Uh Jeff Witter’s mill?

Sp. 4 Yes I guess that was our mill in front of us. Wouldn’t put our mill Roy, yea we had a mill in there.

Sp. 1 You did?

Sp. 4 Yea as long as I remember the rocks.

Sp. 1 Way over here, up the river.

Sp. 4 Uh hum, that was after we came back from Oregon. We located there and stayed there a year or two.

186 Robbing Bees

Sp. 1 Did you keep a lot of bees?

Sp. 4 Yes, a good many. Jim Whaley, Roy Whaley’s father kept a lot of bees way back. Sold lots of honey Jim Whaley did.

Sp. 1 Did you use a lot of honey for uh on the table?

Sp. 4 Yes we did, my father he had bees, we always had pretty plenty of honey.

Sp. 1 Did you use honey for uh sweetening?

Sp. 4 Yes and molasses we didn’t have no sugar hardly ever to use for sweetener.

Sp. 1 Did you ever salt one across its legs?

Sp. 4 Well I never did, I did like sweat coffee.

Sp. 1 Did any of the people use molasses?

Sp. 4 Well I guess so, in their tea if they tea sweetened, sweetening it with molasses

Sp. 1 You had fine gardens and uh (fades out)

Sp. 4 Yes sir we sure did.

Sp. 1 Well uh they want to know where you live now Mrs. Proffitt?

197 Mr. and Mrs. Proffitt Current Location

Sp. 4 Well I live in the banking section near Karns the school this here over in Knox. County. Live about a mile from Karns’ high school. Off the Oak Ridge highway.

Sp. 14 Did you have a farm there?


Sp. 1 Thank you very much!

Sp. 4 Yes, mam, Yea we have a farm, Knox. County yea near uh Karns high school. (Audience claps)

Sp. 1 Clyde Huskey here? Clyde Huskey,

Sp. 14 He’s right behind ya


Sp. 8 Yea right here

Sp. 1 Clyde, uh you want to say a word to these people uh Clyde. Clyde is one of these Gatlinburg Huskey's and uh

Sp. 8 I grew up that all in these mountains

Sp. 1 Well you grew up this way. Well did you want to say a word to these people? Tell about that Bible Clyde.

212 Clyde Huskey’s Family Bible

Sp. 8 Uh I would like to say this first I just enjoy being invited up here by the man who is putting this on, which Mr. Duncan I think is doing a wonderful job. And uh about 4 weeks ago I became interested in some old papers and things that we have at the house. And this uh Bible was one of them I would like to mention that anyone would like to see it, anyone would like to see this could look at it. However, I’d rather that they didn’t be too rough on it cause it about uh a little older than I am, I’d say about 150 years old. (Audience laughs) Uh here’s one thing about this uh it came from Washington sent here by John William Huskey by riverboat. And uh he was fighting at that time in service he was close to 30 years of age. I don’t know just what because I can tell by his writing he was near 30 years of age and the British at this particular time, which the date is in here, I’ll have to put it on a paper, on some letters because they are very dilapidated. Uh he sent it in, it burned along I wasn’t a historian I just know that, when I began to read this I called Knoxville to verify it at the Lawson McGhee Library and they said that was right. It was in 1814; this Bible was made in 1812. And it came to uh Steven Huskey which was the man that married Martha uh what is Whaley, Martha Whaley the first daughter of Middlen and Mrs. Whaley. And it has been handed down to me since. And I treasure it very high and uh anything and anyone would like to do I’m on the Knoxville phone, be glad to help anyone that I can. I do have census back on anyone; I couldn’t do it right now, but anytime that I’d be glad to help ya. I run a little hardware, and it’s listed as "Save Hardware." if you will call me I meet home with ya and go over anything you would like to know back to 1810 in Sevier County. I do have those things available and I think uh anyone who would like to have them uh they just as welcome to them as they can be. Now I am sure am glad to be here and I won’t take any more of your time. Thank you (audience claps)

Sp. 1 Uh that’s about ends our program here, I think we’d better end it and take this little trip up the…

Sp. 14 (Undecipherable)


249 Civil War in the Smoky’s

Sp. 1 Yes uh there was, uh Kernel Thomas uh had uh a company of Confederate soldiers during the Civil War they were mostly Indians and uh they came over in here and forged around some. I’m told they robbed Old Humpy John Owenby’s bees. They came over here and robbed his bees. Which ruined some of these old log gums I guess and I presume the foraged around for anything they could get their hands on that they could eat.

Sp. 2 (undecipherable commotion) the mountains here they didn’t cross this hill of Gatlin and this section courses and uh … in there uh freedom rebels killed their horses and left them there and kept them from getting them. (Undecipherable)

Sp. 1 Uh see uh Federal forces came in and drove Thomas’ forces up here and they were mostly Indians, were they not? Uh partially Indians.

Sp. 2 Uh part of them

Sp. 1 And they rode up through here as far as they could and killed the horses and fled across the mountain, up the Sugarlands not through the Greenbrier.

Sp. 2 Weren’t they driven in here …(undecipherable)

Sp. 1 Uh Clyde Huskey wants to say a word about this.

276 Indians, Explosives, and Alum Cave; John Whaley’s Death

Sp. 8 Uh I also have something else that would be nice that isn’t in American history that I know about. In the diaries we have found and I’d like to state this and a little of it. It’s about the Alum cave in the Smoky’s. The first person in the Alum cave, but known to go in there was a Whaley. What Whaley I can’t tell you, but they found that there was a big pill of skins from animals of all description. The Indians were tanning, tanning these hides in the Alum cave. And uh we would like to say this. That uh the Indians at this time already, by the stuff that I know in this diary, they did know how to make explosives. And that I don’t exactly know which war, cause I’m no historian. It was the Alum cave that the one that owned the cave had the possessions to be able to whip the other ones because that was what happened. And uh Roy Whaley’s, I he can tell you which one, it was one of the Whaley, uh John Whaley which was my my grandmother’s father, she never saw him. He gave his life at Alum cave while he was fighting and uh, well yes I guess it was during the Civil War and uh that was the most vital thing to the Smoky’s that they ever found was the what they could make in the way of explosives. And we do have this on record as to what it was that they used in the parts that they did is copied and how they did it and what they did use it for.

Sp. 2 I didn’t know if anyone was seen uh grandma here (undecipherable) up from out of these hills people would go crazy, right down fever, battle of the where he was killed.

Sp. 1 Well folks uh I think we had uh very nice day here together and uh we want to do a little exploring here now those of you who care to go with us and other wise were are adjourned.

End of Tape 2, Part 4 ~24:24.68